For instance, he was very interested in exploring different philosophies and the like

I had no experience, Mann related, and started off by finding places for the band to play, hauling equipment and doing sound. Shortly after that, Phil and I both just walked away from school and rented a two story house in the same neighborhood David lived in.

Phil was outgoing, athletic and liked trying different things. We were all very close, almost like brothers, but we were very focused on becoming a success and doing our respective jobs.

Mann spent a short time working with the various lineups gleaned from three legs of the Whistler, Chaucer days.